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Post by dolly on May 23, 2006 8:50:43 GMT 1
Well said GREENPESTO if this sight is going to keep moving forward and gain a stronger voice. Then all voices have to be heard whatever their opinions.
What is more negative to me was seeing last night a clash of these different opinions being shown. If i had been Hillarys management i would have been rubbing my hands thinking if they cant agree amongst themselves than we have no reason to listen.You have only got to look at the government currently.
LETS STAY UNITED we will never all agree on everthing but 95% of us have the same day to day problems and they need to be brought to these forums repeatedly so management know they havent gone away.
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Post by RED on May 23, 2006 9:19:07 GMT 1
Well said GREENPESTO if this sight is going to keep moving forward and gain a stronger voice. Then all voices have to be heard whatever their opinions. What is more negative to me was seeing last night a clash of these different opinions being shown. If i had been Hillarys management i would have been rubbing my hands thinking if they cant agree amongst themselves than we have no reason to listen.You have only got to look at the government currently. LETS STAY UNITED we will never all agree on everthing but 95% of us have the same day to day problems and they need to be brought to these forums repeatedly so management know they havent gone away. Hi Dolly I noted your comment about it seeming to be negative when two opinions clash, as they did last night. But surely that is what this board is about and no two people will ever totally agree. Its all about opinions.You will notice though that it did finish up on good terms. Its just that when something is written their is no expressionism with that statement, one of the senses that we use to communicate and things can be read the wrong way. As Greenpesto said earlier, very few times do any of us intentionally upset one another. We may not always agree but we do all have the same goals in mind. So if I came across in the wrong way, then my apologies, to anyone that thought that, it was not meant to be taken that way. On re reading my posts I can see why it may have been read wrong, perhaps it is just my passion for the job coming out. Red |
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Post by thelloydgang on May 23, 2006 9:31:51 GMT 1
Morning Dolly Are you suggesting that postings should be censored and the one's that don't agree with the majority not shown? After posting for the first time last night, I was led to believe that this site is open for everyone to discuss/debate any frustrations/success stories they may have whether they be negative or positive for the forum!  |
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Post by thelloydgang on May 23, 2006 9:34:13 GMT 1
By the way..........Red and myself are best buddies now! |
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Post by greenpesto on May 23, 2006 9:47:05 GMT 1
'thelloydgang' reference your comment to 'dolly'!!!! You appear to see things in peoples comments that aren't there!!!! Your comments make it appear you have a feeling of 'malice & conspiracy' about this site & our motives!!!! OR .... are you one to 'stir things up a little'  Perhaps you are frustrated like the rest of us & are 'venting' your frustrations on the wrong people?? Just a thought!!!! RELAX!!!! .... CHILL OUT A BIT .... HAVE A 'BUDD'. |
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Post by dolly on May 23, 2006 9:51:05 GMT 1
Great to see some passion Red. I love this forum (hooked) and look daily as i love what i do and want to contribute too.
As a new member with no computer expertise, so i dont know if its possible can i pass on to the experts this.
The first time i logged in and for the first few days i didnt write anything, i suppose i was taking it all in. I think what you need is a stronger message on the home page saying that you want the members new and old, to participate and what will happen to their opinions once posted.
As for a start and not wanting to sound disrespectful i thought it was just a natter between friends. Most people just click on the last 50 POSTS so dont get the full insight of what this forum has to offer. People do seem to be watching their backs for what ever reason and i can respect that and it is unfair if anyone is labelled a "stirrer" as i have seen no evidence of anything other than people caring about what they do and wanting to make things better. If everthing was great we wouldnt be doing this probably.
Another advisor of many years gave me the link to this forum and they never have communicated on here. Its a bit like voting if we dont think it will make a difference we dont go and vote.
Sorry if i am boring you all. Best wishes. DOLLY
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Post by RED on May 23, 2006 10:14:51 GMT 1
Morning Dolly Are you suggesting that postings should be censored and the one's that don't agree with the majority not shown? After posting for the first time last night, I was led to believe that this site is open for everyone to discuss/debate any frustrations/success stories they may have whether they be negative or positive for the forum! Hi Just my pennies worth on this. Being a moderator myself I can go in to any post and alter it as I see fit. This would be morally wrong as all opinions are welcome. Except those of unrelated to Hillary's in any other way than adviser or H/Office. I can also delete a post and no one would even know it had been their. Again morally wrong. Every ones opinions is a valuable lesson to us all. The only time I do alter a posting is if it is defamatory of another person or exceptionally strong language so as not to offend others. So you can rest easy in the knowledge that neither I nor any other moderator will alter a posting unless deemed necessary. Red |
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Post by phugly on May 23, 2006 10:57:13 GMT 1
I'm with you on that Red. This is a free discussion board and any censorship is only to weed out defamatory personal comments and the offender will be informed. All opinions are welcome, positive and negative.
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Post by dolly on May 23, 2006 10:59:00 GMT 1
Change of direction now. Just come back from appt 3779701 booked in only yesterday. No answer at security gate and phone number is incorrect. Another for the list.
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Post by Blind Scout on May 23, 2006 11:03:48 GMT 1
Hi Lloyd gang. It's always nice to see new contributions to this forum, welcome.
The fisrt time I logged on, all I could see was the regular posters, usually gripping on about something or other. Then I realised I had the same grips and started to post. But, gripping doesn't always get results, so I try to mix positive and negative comments. However atm I have more negatives, caused by the attitute in many case by the management of Hillarys. I always have tried to give my customers exemplary service, but I am now finding it very hard to do so.
No posts are censured , unless they contain offensive material, so please feel free to let us all know your positive and negative points working your agency with Hillarys. I have, like yourself, contact Hillarys directly, where I can see areas needing improivement, and some departments are better than others, and I have written and put these suggesations in writing. But my suggestions are only 1 out of 800. The other 799 may think it is a crap idea, so the benefit of this forum would be to try and get a consensus of the majority so we can at least present some form of 'unity'.
In Feb, Hillarys decided to pull together 2 forums, inviting agents from differing backgrounds to discuss the business. One or two members of this forum, in their own time and effort, sought opionions from the membersa of this forum, and put together a very lenghty document. Worth getting and reading, even now. But they wern't the only opinions at these meetings. Foir instance nobody from Scotland was in attendance, so our rural and remote agencies, which have their own unique challenges, were not represented. So I had my say, though this forum.
However, the latest edict form Hillarys, has basically driven a wedge into our hearts. It pretends to give us "rewards" for good agent practice, while penalising the poor performers. It is only when examined closely, that one sees that the positives are all in Hillarys favour, and the "rewards" side, have always happened anyway, just as you seemed to indicate.
I think Dolly, was saying, that where Hillarys see disagreement here, they can see an opportunity to shaft us again, so we must show unity on this site; by all means have the argument, hence no censuring, but as you and Red did, stay friends and united in getting the best deal for ourselves, our business, our customers (although we don't have 'our customers' anymore) and ulitimately Hillary's.
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Post by dolly on May 23, 2006 11:03:57 GMT 1
Morning Dolly Are you suggesting that postings should be censored and the one's that don't agree with the majority not shown? After posting for the first time last night, I was led to believe that this site is open for everyone to discuss/debate any frustrations/success stories they may have whether they be negative or positive for the forum! I refer back to my second sentence." That all voices have to be heard whatever their opinions." |
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Post by dolly on May 23, 2006 11:27:10 GMT 1
What i was trying to get across earlier is there is nothing wrong with negative comments as they are mostly directed at a problem within Hillarys and have a genuine case.
In a past life i was in a position between workers and management. We were in no union and the only way to get problems across to management was through internal meetings. We had many complaints and new and better ideas some straightforward and others that would take time and money.It was always difficult with narrow minded management to get them to take notice, in a sense you need them to be sympathetic as well as realising its for the good of the company as well as their profits.A happy worker is likely to work better than another who isnt. But as some got frustrated early on their comments and actions became more negative and so the managements ear became harder of hearing. If you see my point!
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Post by thelloydgang on May 23, 2006 11:44:53 GMT 1
'thelloydgang' reference your comment to 'dolly'!!!! You appear to see things in peoples comments that aren't there!!!! Your comments make it appear you have a feeling of 'malice & conspiracy' about this site & our motives!!!! OR .... are you one to 'stir things up a little' Perhaps you are frustrated like the rest of us & are 'venting' your frustrations on the wrong people?? Just a thought!!!! RELAX!!!! .... CHILL OUT A BIT .... HAVE A 'BUDD'. |
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Post by thelloydgang on May 23, 2006 11:59:43 GMT 1
HI Greenpesto Am trying to find the posting from Dolly to which my reply refers. Don't think I'm seeing things in peoples comments that aren't there and isn't it a good thing for my postings to start up a debate? Dolly posted that she was dissapointed that the healthy discussion between Red and myself was shown on this Forum for all at head office to see. Isn't that whats this site is all about, to voice our opinions whether they're agreed with or not by the majority. I certainly don't have any feelings of "malice & consiperacy about this site and your motives! As I've previously posted, I think this site is a great way to share ideas/frustrations. My original posting stated my concern that changes to the way I work may have been influenced by the voices of this site and not all Advisors. Red has clarified the differences to me re this Forum and the Advisor Forum which had meetings with head office. Maybe it's you that seeing things in my comments that aren't there! Anyway "stirring" up a little never hurts........it certainly gets the juices flowing and the fingers typing!! RELAX!!!!!!! How can I working with Hillarys!!! Anyway, I'd rather have a nice cool glass of Chardonnay! Bit early now tho!! |
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Post by thelloydgang on May 23, 2006 12:05:16 GMT 1
HI Blind Scout Thanks for the welcome! It's nice to be posting even tho some don't like my comments! Here's looking forward to some good debates! Just for the record, I too share many of the frustrations that you all have.......so don't worry everyone.......I'm not a mole!! Just a plain old advisor!! |
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