How to Get Rid Of Web Blinds....

[greenpesto]

Hillarys idea of a fair Franchise would be:

High cost 'up front'
Additional annual license cost
Cost for compulsory 'liveried' van on expensive lease-hire
Charge for every lead
Discounts to be absorbed only by Advisor
Cost of SAM to remain with advisor
Charge for 'Sample' books & bag
Supply blinds at 40% off current price list
Mis-measure cost to be absorbed completely by Advisor
Advisor to pay for 50% of advertising costs
Guarantee to be be honored by Advisor & not by Hillarys
No restriction on areas
Delivery charge for each delivery
'Carrier/Special Delivery charges' to be absorbed by Advisor
Charge for 'Spares'
Compulsory purchase of uniforms
SAM paper charges to be re-introduced
Charges for 'Order pads'

In short ... Very little in our favour!!!!!

Just wait & see folks!!!!!!!!!

[dolly]

As crafty as Hillarys are behind our backs i find it difficult to believe the FRANCHISE rumours.
The general bad feeling among advisors on this forum tells me that not many of us would be willing to change over to it. We can only really speculate on what Hillarys views are of us and this forum of course and i cant believe they would be willing to risk losing lots of excellent and experienced advisors especially when most of us have experienced the poor quality of most new advisors in our areas.
On the cost, having looked into franchises before doing Hillarys it tends to be a set at the one price and depending what you get thrown in i think to hear of prices being rumoured at this stage tells me that this is all it is rumours.
As well as this they are advertising in my county for new advisors, would they be doing this if it was all going to change? How could they divide up an area especially in rural parts? At the minute they seem to have more cover than they need at this time and by franchising they would predict to lose a certain number of us across the country but they cant predict how many would stay or go.
I believe the FSM's will be key here if they start sniffing around and asking the "WHERE DO YOU SEE YOURSELF IN 5 YEARS?" question than my suspicions will be raised. As these "feelers" will be their only way to gauge our thoughts.
If we did become franchises. Where would that leave the FSM'S?
To sum up i think Hillarys want even more power over us and maybe by starting heresay might push one or two of us revolters out the door. They do already, whether we like it or not, tower over us look at how SAM was eventually forced upon us! The buy it or go offer. At the end of the day a companies name is only as good as their staff, management and most importantly their product and im afraid Hillarys your failing on all accounts. With the odd exception.

[Bear]

unclehillary said:

desmorse said:

Anyone know the turnover/profitability of the 3 arms of Hillarys - agency, Arena, Web blinds?

Recently been told Web Blinds only do 400-500 blinds/week - less than 1 blind/advisor. Maybe Web Blinds is a red herring, how much bigger could Arena be?
Years ago I was told the agency division accounted for around 90% of turnover. Would be interesting to know the current mix.

Perhaps we'll get told at the roadshow

I always knew hillarys had 3 arms the third ones for stealing out of your back pocket

I call upon mr ross kenny to tell me how the rewards scheme is coming along as it been rather quiet since mismeasures went up etc .Hows it going i would imagine you just cant wait to up our income .

I also call for the return of NONAILS i wonder what life after hillarys yields

For your info "NONAILS" is doing just fine selling and fitting blinds. I had a pint with him yesterday. pm me if you want to know more.
As to the Franchise idea--the word is that a lot of graft is being done inside Colwick on this and expect something at the roadshow. The British Franchise Association has been involved but as to how exactly , we await news and developments.

Bear

[russell]

bear said:

unclehillary said:

I always knew hillarys had 3 arms the third ones for stealing out of your back pocket

I call upon mr ross kenny to tell me how the rewards scheme is coming along as it been rather quiet since mismeasures went up etc .Hows it going i would imagine you just cant wait to up our income .

I also call for the return of NONAILS i wonder what life after hillarys yields

For your info "NONAILS" is doing just fine selling and fitting blinds. I had a pint with him yesterday. pm me if you want to know more.
As to the Franchise idea--the word is that a lot of graft is being done inside Colwick on this and expect something at the roadshow. The British Franchise Association has been involved but as to how exactly , we await news and developments.

Bear

My ex fsm tony boyd also told me that franchises were being tested in recruitment in ireland ,so it is something they have thought and in reply to "dolly" saying they wouldnt want to lose some of their top advisors well they lost loads over sam so i dont think that would put them off.

Myself ....I would be interested in purchasing a franchise under the correct circumstances eg safegaurding my area extra commision etc but fat chance of that

AND YES WHAT HAS HAPPENED OVER THE NEW REWARDS SCHEME or did i waste my time at reading

[RED]

russell said:

bear said:

For your info "NONAILS" is doing just fine selling and fitting blinds. I had a pint with him yesterday. pm me if you want to know more.
As to the Franchise idea--the word is that a lot of graft is being done inside Colwick on this and expect something at the roadshow. The British Franchise Association has been involved but as to how exactly , we await news and developments.

Bear

My ex fsm tony boyd also told me that franchises were being tested in recruitment in ireland ,so it is something they have thought and in reply to "dolly" saying they wouldnt want to lose some of their top advisors well they lost loads over sam so i dont think that would put them off.

Myself ....I would be interested in purchasing a franchise under the correct circumstances eg safegaurding my area extra commision etc but fat chance of that

AND YES WHAT HAS HAPPENED OVER THE NEW REWARDS SCHEME or did i waste my time at reading

Russell, what makes you think buying into a franchise would secure your area?.
By now, most of us have realized Hillary's do things to suit themselves. You will have a franchise that will cover your area only on the understanding that other advisor's cover it whilst you are ill or on Holiday. In other words it will be no different to what you have now except that you will be paying them for the privilege of working for them. You will still have no control over your leads or the stupid offers that they are killing us and themselves off with. So if 800 advisor's pay them say 1000 pounds each for what they are already doing, thats best part of 1 million for nothing and thats if it is only 1k to buy your area. So 2k gives them 1 million six hundred thousand pounds for nothing.
I for one would not be paying in to a franchise with them under the present structure, besides, on the work I have coming in it would take me forever to pay it and start making a profit.
I dont think its a rumor as I have heard it mentioned a few times over the past year or so and if Bear says it is so then you better believe him.

Red

[russell]

stonehills said:

russell said:

My ex fsm tony boyd also told me that franchises were being tested in recruitment in ireland ,so it is something they have thought and in reply to "dolly" saying they wouldnt want to lose some of their top advisors well they lost loads over sam so i dont think that would put them off.

Myself ....I would be interested in purchasing a franchise under the correct circumstances eg safegaurding my area extra commision etc but fat chance of that

AND YES WHAT HAS HAPPENED OVER THE NEW REWARDS SCHEME or did i waste my time at reading

Russell, what makes you think buying into a franchise would secure your area?.
By now, most of us have realized Hillary's do things to suit themselves. You will have a franchise that will cover your area only on the understanding that other advisor's cover it whilst you are ill or on Holiday. In other words it will be no different to what you have now except that you will be paying them for the privilege of working for them. You will still have no control over your leads or the stupid offers that they are killing us and themselves off with. So if 800 advisor's pay them say 1000 pounds each for what they are already doing, thats best part of 1 million for nothing and thats if it is only 1k to buy your area. So 2k gives them 1 million six hundred thousand pounds for nothing.
I for one would not be paying in to a franchise with them under the present structure, besides, on the work I have coming in it would take me forever to pay it and start making a profit.
I dont think its a rumor as I have heard it mentioned a few times over the past year or so and if Bear says it is so then you better believe him.

Red

As i said would only consider if it was a legal contract i certainly wouldn't part with money otherwise so i would want it perfectly clear.My wife works in law so they wouldn't wriggle out of it

[RED]

russell said:

stonehills said:

Russell, what makes you think buying into a franchise would secure your area?.
By now, most of us have realized Hillary's do things to suit themselves. You will have a franchise that will cover your area only on the understanding that other advisor's cover it whilst you are ill or on Holiday. In other words it will be no different to what you have now except that you will be paying them for the privilege of working for them. You will still have no control over your leads or the stupid offers that they are killing us and themselves off with. So if 800 advisor's pay them say 1000 pounds each for what they are already doing, thats best part of 1 million for nothing and thats if it is only 1k to buy your area. So 2k gives them 1 million six hundred thousand pounds for nothing.
I for one would not be paying in to a franchise with them under the present structure, besides, on the work I have coming in it would take me forever to pay it and start making a profit.
I dont think its a rumor as I have heard it mentioned a few times over the past year or so and if Bear says it is so then you better believe him.

Red

As i said would only consider if it was a legal contract i certainly wouldn't part with money otherwise so i would want it perfectly clear.My wife works in law so they wouldn't wriggle out of it

Has it ever occurred to any one that Hillary's may well be on the road to bringing back the equivalent of Albany and Wholesale. More advisor's in areas and the mention of Franchise. It would not surprise me if this was in the pipeline too and that would dilute your area even more so if they sold a franchise to all Hillary's advisor's now then 1 year later they could recruit another 800 in the name of Albany and so on. There would be nothing to stop them doing this as the two names are totally different trading names.
It may be a very pessimistic view but then I have no reason to trust the new Hillary's. It is October, the second biggest sales month of the year and how is everybody doing? not very well from where I am standing. Batten down those hatches cos the sea is going to get very rough during the first quarters trading next year and only 10 more trading weeks till Xmas. God, I'm making more selling car boot stuff on EBAY than I am with Hillary's.
Red

[grumperbear]

You can by a Curtain and blind francise for £895 ish.
On the other hand you can start up on your own from next to nothing.

Appointments for next week, lets just check Sam "the sillary's enforcement tool" ah, just as expected for the whole week, no appointments.

[RED]

grumperbear said:

You can by a Curtain and blind francise for £895 ish.
On the other hand you can start up on your own from next to nothing.

Appointments for next week, lets just check Sam "the sillary's enforcement tool" ah, just as expected for the whole week, no appointments.

Yep, just checked mine too and very few leads. The ones that are in, one has missed his appointment twice already and the other 2 are more than likely 3 for 99 customers. Oh well, get my EBAY bric a brac listed and apply for that paper round next week.
As for super sales week, it is the worst September I have seen in the 10 years I have been with them.
Do you think that somehow, they are doing something wrong?? Like allowing a load of post graduates with fancy ideas run all the departments, the advertising, the marketing and everything else?

[farmer]

stonehills said:

grumperbear said:

You can by a Curtain and blind francise for £895 ish.
On the other hand you can start up on your own from next to nothing.

Appointments for next week, lets just check Sam "the sillary's enforcement tool" ah, just as expected for the whole week, no appointments.

Yep, just checked mine too and very few leads. The ones that are in, one has missed his appointment twice already and the other 2 are more than likely 3 for 99 customers. Oh well, get my EBAY bric a brac listed and apply for that paper round next week.
As for super sales week, it is the worst September I have seen in the 10 years I have been with them.
Do you think that somehow, they are doing something wrong?? Like allowing a load of post graduates with fancy ideas run all the departments, the advertising, the marketing and everything else?

SAME HERE. 9 LEADS OUT OF 35 IN SO FAR FOR NEXT WEEK.
6 WEEKS IN A ROW NOW WITH LESS THAN 10 LEADS.

COME ON .

IF YOU WANT ME OUT HILLARYS JUST SAY.............

Oooo whats that just come in ? ASERVICE CALL FOR ONE OF THE NEW ADVISORS CUSTOMERS..................................FCUK OFF

[dolly]

When you read the invitation with the plans for the meetings. You do wander why its being done in this manner and with the upper management being in attendance. It all looks like the yearly run of the mill stuff.
So we will wait and see what the hidden agenda is.

[phugly]

If they push for franchises then I think it will be "goodbye from me"

[dolly]

Yes 5 years ago i would have jumped at it. The companies image of quality first was a great thing behind us when knocking on the customers door. Now we are in with the wrong crowd.

[russell]

farmer said:

stonehills said:

Yep, just checked mine too and very few leads. The ones that are in, one has missed his appointment twice already and the other 2 are more than likely 3 for 99 customers. Oh well, get my EBAY bric a brac listed and apply for that paper round next week.
As for super sales week, it is the worst September I have seen in the 10 years I have been with them.
Do you think that somehow, they are doing something wrong?? Like allowing a load of post graduates with fancy ideas run all the departments, the advertising, the marketing and everything else?

SAME HERE. 9 LEADS OUT OF 35 IN SO FAR FOR NEXT WEEK.
6 WEEKS IN A ROW NOW WITH LESS THAN 10 LEADS.

COME ON .

IF YOU WANT ME OUT HILLARYS JUST SAY.............

Oooo whats that just come in ? ASERVICE CALL FOR ONE OF THE NEW ADVISORS CUSTOMERS..................................FCUK OFF

I rarely get more than 12 leads a week because of advertising etc so i cant understand why in your right mind you would want 35 in one week thats "cherrypicking".

I regularly take 6k plus a week this week 9plus on 11 leads OK so I had 6 self gen but surely thats the name of the game if you haven't got any self gen you cant be any good thats a fact!

I'm not on a wind up here just pointing out sometimes you have to look within ,I used to get 20plus leads a week and still took 7k because i never chased self gen .My point being anybody and i repeat anybody who has more than 25leads a week cherry picks you cannot commit the time to a sales call if you have more than 3 in any four hour slot unless they live next door to each other .With the exception of people who have fitters (which i dont) if you sell and fit 20 leads a week should give you as a company average 5to6k a week .

So Ive set the challenge i bet not 1 person that sells and fits needs more than 25leads a week if you do you either cherry pick or your conversion needs a serious think.

The new way of things is that those with a good conversion and good av order value are fed more leads and rightly so as this is a business this is the way we are moving gone are the days old timers get all the leads ,i know of poor converters who's leads are drying up it sounds harsh but if they up their game they will get them back .

So the moral of the story is get your own leads convert the ones you have by hook or by crook (my discounts are a tad high )and spend more time with the customer selling not worrying about getting to the next call

Now for the fallout

[dmm]

phugly said:

If they push for franchises then I think it will be "goodbye from me"

Where's this come from? Someone with real insider info, or some little sh1t stirrer haveing a windup?