Post by BlindWizard on Oct 20, 2006 11:35:16 GMT 1
In reply to your grand rant then..
....don't you recognise when someone is talking with you is lying???.....
.....I say again, we are dealing with liars, thieves and snake-oil salesmen when we converse with the majority, not the entirety, of Hillarys management.....
....frankly both Hereticus and yourself, do the rest of us who have been robbed of thousands by these serial contract-breakers a monstrous dis-service
when you turn on those of us seeking to shed light and attention on the devious acts......
If you want to negotiate and change things you can't continually tar all with the same brush and stop talking.
Name-calling and insulting people will not produce a solution.
I (and I think Hereticus) do not do a dis-service by not wanting to join in with continued rants and insults.
We are not turning on anyone we are trying to be constructive.
You add that you do not want to be associated with those who are prepared to publicise their true feelings about being stolen from,by their employers.
Fine, it tells me a lot about you.
You are happy to reap any benefits gained for the majority by the actions of the "fighting few" yet never acknowledge the fact.
You probably drive past car wrecks, and avoid getting mud on yer shoes, yet describe it vividly when you get home!!
I didn't say "I do not want to be associated with those who are prepared to publicise their true feelings about being stolen from" I said I didn't want to be associated with insulting people, ranting and winging.
Look at my posts, that will tell you more about myself, e.g.
hillarysblinds.proboards55.com/index.cgi?board=currentnewsandhappenings&action=display&thread=1135208772&page=1
hillarysblinds.proboards55.com/index.cgi?board=currentnewsandhappenings&action=display&thread=1146296041&page=7
hillarysblinds.proboards55.com/index.cgi?board=currentnewsandhappenings&action=display&thread=1147334664&page=1
The second one (about 10 posts down on page 7) has a copy of my email to John Risman. That is what I call standing up and being counted. I did this for my own benefit plus all other advisors. I used my own name, copied all and was willing to suffer the consequences. Within a few days of the email the change to public liability was suspended for a month then changed to a maximum of £250 and also clarified when this would be charge. I feel my input was partly responsible for this outcome. Yes before you say it, there still was and is a lot more that was wrong but at least I did something in my own name without insulting people and this resulted in both an email reply from Mr Risman and a number of phone calls from Area and field managers. What have you achieved ??
How would you go about getting your money back had this happened to you.
A County Court case was started to pursue this very matter 4-5 months ago, and those whose names were on the Plaintiff side ( The Claimants) were either given the hard word about their future supplies of leads by respective FSM's if they persisted with the case or were just asked to go. The case died.
One had their diary so mucked about with--on purpose--that they were forced to work a Bank Holiday weekend when they had specifically booked it off, they then left after a month and now fit kitchens, and still lost £1200 nicked by Hillarys.
See above comments, that how I went about something I wasn’t happy with. I have not had any commission clawback, I had the issue with PL insurance above and also refusal to pay service payments, I used my own name, put up a rational argument and stood by my believes with the offer of not working for Hillarys if we couldn't come to an agreement.
Enuf already, carry on living in you bubble mate, some of us are actually doing very well out of Hillarys in a way they cannot control
Not sure who's in the bubble but whilst I'm doing well working for Hillarys in an open manner and can sort out disagreements by discussion I will stay with them. If I can't sort out any disagreements, particularly any non-payment, then I will leave. Life is simple, enjoy
blindsfitter said:
....don't you recognise when someone is talking with you is lying???.....
.....I say again, we are dealing with liars, thieves and snake-oil salesmen when we converse with the majority, not the entirety, of Hillarys management.....
....frankly both Hereticus and yourself, do the rest of us who have been robbed of thousands by these serial contract-breakers a monstrous dis-service
when you turn on those of us seeking to shed light and attention on the devious acts......
If you want to negotiate and change things you can't continually tar all with the same brush and stop talking.
Name-calling and insulting people will not produce a solution.
I (and I think Hereticus) do not do a dis-service by not wanting to join in with continued rants and insults.
We are not turning on anyone we are trying to be constructive.
blindsfitter said:
You add that you do not want to be associated with those who are prepared to publicise their true feelings about being stolen from,by their employers.
Fine, it tells me a lot about you.
You are happy to reap any benefits gained for the majority by the actions of the "fighting few" yet never acknowledge the fact.
You probably drive past car wrecks, and avoid getting mud on yer shoes, yet describe it vividly when you get home!!
I didn't say "I do not want to be associated with those who are prepared to publicise their true feelings about being stolen from" I said I didn't want to be associated with insulting people, ranting and winging.
Look at my posts, that will tell you more about myself, e.g.
hillarysblinds.proboards55.com/index.cgi?board=currentnewsandhappenings&action=display&thread=1135208772&page=1
hillarysblinds.proboards55.com/index.cgi?board=currentnewsandhappenings&action=display&thread=1146296041&page=7
hillarysblinds.proboards55.com/index.cgi?board=currentnewsandhappenings&action=display&thread=1147334664&page=1
The second one (about 10 posts down on page 7) has a copy of my email to John Risman. That is what I call standing up and being counted. I did this for my own benefit plus all other advisors. I used my own name, copied all and was willing to suffer the consequences. Within a few days of the email the change to public liability was suspended for a month then changed to a maximum of £250 and also clarified when this would be charge. I feel my input was partly responsible for this outcome. Yes before you say it, there still was and is a lot more that was wrong but at least I did something in my own name without insulting people and this resulted in both an email reply from Mr Risman and a number of phone calls from Area and field managers. What have you achieved ??
blindsfitter said:
How would you go about getting your money back had this happened to you.
A County Court case was started to pursue this very matter 4-5 months ago, and those whose names were on the Plaintiff side ( The Claimants) were either given the hard word about their future supplies of leads by respective FSM's if they persisted with the case or were just asked to go. The case died.
One had their diary so mucked about with--on purpose--that they were forced to work a Bank Holiday weekend when they had specifically booked it off, they then left after a month and now fit kitchens, and still lost £1200 nicked by Hillarys.
See above comments, that how I went about something I wasn’t happy with. I have not had any commission clawback, I had the issue with PL insurance above and also refusal to pay service payments, I used my own name, put up a rational argument and stood by my believes with the offer of not working for Hillarys if we couldn't come to an agreement.
blindsfitter said:
Enuf already, carry on living in you bubble mate, some of us are actually doing very well out of Hillarys in a way they cannot control
Not sure who's in the bubble but whilst I'm doing well working for Hillarys in an open manner and can sort out disagreements by discussion I will stay with them. If I can't sort out any disagreements, particularly any non-payment, then I will leave. Life is simple, enjoy