Why Wrong Late Inaccurate Commission Statments??

[miss measure]

just me bear and gvman lets hope more follow lets withhold all balances and take no deposits im :-*fkin fed up being ripped off :Pwho else is on board vcome on this is what the forums for we need teeth

[Bear]

Zero deposits seems a great idea!!!

Why did they want us to up deposits from 25% ( when I started) to 33% until recently, and now they want 50%...?

or more likely their Bank wants them to get 50% deposits!!

Why??

I reckon they have a problem and it's not a won't pay but a can't pay situation with our commissions??

Customers do balk at 50% - I get it rarely - I dont quibble, and if they say you are getting £50.00 or £100.00 then thats fine but now 0% thats a real winner.

Will go down a treat with the losers wanting ghetto blinds

OOPPSSS!!!

[miss measure]

pmsl ghetto scum will still want interest free credit on interest free credit but zero deposits will only affect sillarys not us they will sit up and listen then and they cant do jacksh*t about it ;)power to the advisors 1 0

[nonails]

Hi Bear
Good 2 see you back

Yes I am happy with zero deposits from 2morrow

Special offer!!!

Seems reasonable and democratic to me.................

If we don't get paid by Hillarys, then Hillarys dont get paid by us.

The zero deposit is the best route for those dependent on Hillarys Full Time to register their unhappiness evn doing it on alternate orders would be fine.

The pain would soon be felt.

Did anyone get their Monthly Statistics this week--
What a load of demotivational, accountant ridden b*****ks that was?
I am off down to see Town Xmas tree lit and cuddle my kids-havent seen them all week --every nite b****y ghetto appointments

Stick together folks.

As regards deposits" Lets all be ZERO HEROES"
NoNails

[miss measure]

good too av u onboard nonails thats four of us but we need more too have a effect :-/how bout you joynmikcan we email every advisor with our plan

[desmorse]

Got latest SMR. Apparently my target for Dec is 100% conversion, and £290 lead effect.

What's demotivating about that? That's easily achieved with £99 offers.

[miss measure]

take cheques and hold till after xmas zero deposits will make them listen we are ;Dzero heros ;D

[russell]

im a zero hero now ;D ;D ;D

[hereticus]

I'm not liking some of the posts recently though I do fully understand the frustration - as the quote goes 'I may not like what you say but I fully defend your right to say it'.

But just stop and think for a moment. We are a forum of advisors seeking to share thoughts and ideas, offer mutual assistance, air our problems and grievances, and hopefully establish a new and more honest communication with the company by breaking down the isolation, as in 'it's only you with a problem'

We are not a trade union, we do not have any collective legal status, and we are not going to do ourselves any favours by becoming militant and activist.

Yes, a lot of things are wrong and a lot of things need changing but we haven't yet given this forum a chance, and Hillarys haven't yet grasped the impact that it could have if not taken seriously, but it is much too soon to see this loosely connected forum as a serious power base. It could go that way eventually if the company don't respond, but let us give them a fair chance to acknowledge that our very existence has changed the way that they need to communicate with us and that the future is all about being fair, open, and honest.

To threaten the company by witholding payments and not taking deposits is not going to do anybody any good, especially ourselves, and I for one am not coming on board with this idea. Admittedly I have not experienced any significant problem with commission payments but perhaps this is because I have not been processing balance payments through SAM, so here is a fairly obvious and less confrontational course of action that will sort out the problem but still raise alarm bells at Nottingham - take balance payments as previously, whether by cheque, card, or cash, and send them in by post.

This won't cause the company a major cash flow problem (only a day or two postage delay), but commissions on payments by this route still seem to be working properly, and there will be a panic when they realise that one of the fundamental objectives of SAM technology ain't working.

I hope I am not alone in being a 'voice of reason' and hope others will post on both sides of this argument, but I feel that taking the militant confronational route will end up being a futile action by a disorganised rabble rather than a planned strategy by a cohesive force. Lets give this forum a chance to be taken seriously by the company and see if it does actually impact on the way that they respond to real problems and genuine grievances.

[miss measure]

heriticus you must work for head office i dont believe you are a advisor

[hereticus]

How wrong can you be, Cheated Advisor !

I have been an agent for 13 years (full time), have mostly enjoyed my time with Hillarys, and look to having a future with the company for at least another 8/10 years.

I don't like a lot of the things going on in the company at the moment but would rather achieve change and progress by reasoned discussion and negotiation. We need Hillarys as much as they need us, so lets establish contact through this forum with the more reasonable and forward thinking members of management (yes, they do exist) and work together to resolve these problems.

Suggest you take a few history lessons and see if you can find a single instance where disorganised militancy ever achieved lasting change.

[RED]

hereticus said:

How wrong can you be, Cheated Advisor !

I have been an agent for 13 years (full time), have mostly enjoyed my time with Hillarys, and look to having a future with the company for at least another 8/10 years.

I don't like a lot of the things going on in the company at the moment but would rather achieve change and progress by reasoned discussion and negotiation. We need Hillarys as much as they need us, so lets establish contact through this forum with the more reasonable and forward thinking members of management (yes, they do exist) and work together to resolve these problems.

Suggest you take a few history lessons and see if you can find a single instance where disorganised militancy ever achieved lasting change.

I fully agree with you hereticus.
We have to give diplomacy a chance to work before any sort of action is ever taken. Once the Fsms and board members realize that bully tactics are not helping just isolating us from them, then maybe we can start to move forward. There is no doubt that Hillary's are trying to make the business a more viable proposition but I feel in there haste may have gone to far and ruined a business that is run on a concept that the suits can not comprehend.
They also have to realize that we also have to make a living from it. If we don't then we have legs and just walk, whether singularly or collectively remains to be seen.
I have noticed a few people using militant terms, It is not at this moment in time, right.
Maybe in a short while, if we get no where and things keep going wrong then, but only then will it be a viable option.
We have to a least give them a chance to respond and start to take action. Not just for the good of Hillary's but for the advisor's as everything so far has been ME, ME ,ME with Hillary's.
Red

[miss measure]

talking history whenever did anything get done with ;Dyes men ;Dat the helm ps am in the top 10 turnover advisors been around nearly 20 years full time

[miss measure]

i agree owl but unfortunatly i think to be recognised as a serious body we need too let them know we are here and active belive it or not im a tory £

[RED]

cheatedadvisor said:

i agree owl but unfortunatly i think to be recognised as a serious body we need too let them know we are here and active belive it or not im a tory £

cheatedadvisor
They know we are here. It is only a matter of time for them to realize that this forum has a future of making us a collective.
They can either carry on using and abusing, In which case the outcome would be uncertain.
Or they could acknowledge this board and us and start to work with us to make ALL of Hillary's prosper, not just Hillary's.
The problems start when accountants get involved. They save a penny on the balance sheets by spending a pound. It all looks good for them at first but then things start going pear shaped as they are now, but the damage has been done. I have worked for 2 companies in the past 30 years, both were doing very well until accountants were brought in to try to save the company money. One of them has now shut down and the other has gone from over 400 workers to just 60 and wont be there soon. I hope this is not the future for Hillary's.
Red