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russell said:

anyone turning sales like this down are mad its a good job youre not in my area i would clean up we all have wood issues but 90 pounds commision for a few hours work ::)what i cannot believe is that you send them to a competitor that is even dafter what must you be thinking at least give it to another advisor

I must be in the minority in wooden Venetians.
I have sold quite a few since beginning of December and only had a few problems, but would not turn down a £90 commission job even if I did have to go back once or twice. When you compare it with the average wage of £5.40 most people are on then it makes sense to take the order as you would need to do around 18 hours at the government minimum wage level, which my wife is on by the way, and she works a lot harder than me. Or so she tells me.
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[keenasmustard]

I'm in this game to sell blinds the same as hillarys I think thats what we are all here for.
I feel that i do this very well and to the best of my ability this shows with my figures, to me when I get on a lead,I go on it, give it my utmost.so when I say I do 30+ leads a week I do them, I don't give anybodies number out but my own and I allways turn up while some others don't .I have the attitude that I'm here to sell blinds for me and mine.if I am successfull then I and hillarys are happy so when a fsm says to me that I could do with less leads it means to me that I will not earn the same amount.so no reading between the lines on that one will ever change my mind on that score.
what was in his mind to say this I don't know maybe its the new way.

all he seemed to push apart from what i've said is that if we don't take on the hillarys image ie sam,clothing ,car signs then there is no place for non-conformists.(what a waste of experiance)

so to summerise less leads mean less earnings for both me and hillarys am I right?

some may say am i bovvered well I am bovvered

[blindmansam]

Re- the car signs - I run a Renault espace , which is just great for the work ( and the kids !) BUT the vehicle signs are no good to me , they are magnetic and errrrr the car is plastic bodied ! What does the FSM suggest i do ? Use glue?

Am left to ponder.

gilly said:

all he seemed to push apart from what i've said is that if we don't take on the hillarys image ie sam,clothing ,car signs then there is no place for non-conformists.(what a waste of experiance)

[russell]

keenaas i can see your fsms point if i had 35 leads a week i would turnover about 10000 a week thats to much unless you have a fitter i sell and fit 5 to 7 k a week on 15 leads if i had 35plus leads a week i would still turn over 7k as i couldnt cope on my own the danger of having too many leads is that you CHERRY PICK sorry comrade but fairs fair

[russell]

car signs ;Di drive an audi its aluminium so they dont stick oops never mind only does 20 to the gallon and i do 30k miles a year but worth not having stickers on the side

[farmer]

blindmansam said:

Re- the car signs - I run a Renault espace , which is just great for the work ( and the kids !) BUT the vehicle signs are no good to me , they are magnetic and errrrr the car is plastic bodied ! What does the FSM suggest i do ? Use glue?

Am left to ponder.

On this point of car signs. WHY DO OUR AREA MANAGERS AND UPPER MANAGEMENT, not have them on their cars, company or otherwise. (this is not a moan by the way, but a genuine question, which I was to bring up at the meetings).

gilly said:

all he seemed to push apart from what i've said is that if we don't take on the hillarys image ie sam,clothing ,car signs then there is no place for non-conformists.(what a waste of experiance)

[JoY]

jayandemm said:

Maybe we NEED some new advisors if we have people working for Hillarys going out to customers saying this sort of thing....
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Quote from "Hillarysblindman"
"With the most recent Woood issues - today i walked away from a
£615 potential sale giving the customer the number of 'another '
blind company to use . I could not dare take the order from
such a 'quality' demanding customer . just not worth the hassle .



hillarysblindman"

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Can you believe they would turn down £90 commission??

Must be earning more than me if they did???

Anyone know who this agent is???

________________________________________

The above "poster" has sent me an email and I feel it only right to publicly apologise for jumping to conclusions about this job after not knowing all the facts....which were incidentally not put in his posting on the first place...
Easiest way to do it is to put his email on here.
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ear Joy,

Please be aware that the info you have posted on a Hillary's Advisor Forum , has been made without the necessary knowledge to make a proper assessment for discussion.

I was called to the customer involved and passed it to the Agent of whom you speak of. The reason for this was as follows.......

1) The customer is the owner of a £500,000.00 Barn Conversion
2) The windows are 12 feet above 'normal' windows
3) The customer had specified 50mm with controls both one side.
4) The customer wanted Outside Recess fitting to hollow Lathe and Plaster Walls
5) The customer wanted exact stacking heights to ensure suitable 'lift' above the glass.
6) Offer of aluwood was declinded
7) Location of rural property was 45mile round trip

Now do you see the problems ? If Hillary'sblindman and myself were un-willing to supply blinds un-suited to this purpose then to walk away was the best option.Even if the above conditions were better - the wood problems (at Hillary's) are such to cause all involved a major headache. In this case a blind maker himself would be hard pressed to do all this work perfectly first time , hence the referal .

I think your comments have been taken out of context.

Would you want this order ? now you are aware of the facts?


Regards,

John Relay and Martin Who.
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my reply
Maybe you should have put all the "facts" in your posting so that it was clear to whoever was reading it. I don't believe I took anything out of context....I formed my opinion on the basis of what you had written. i.e. you passed a £600 job on to another blind company because you didn't want the hassle of DOR's, and therefore also turning down £90 commission.

As you have taken offence.... I will make it clear on the forum that all the facts had not been presented, and make a formal apology.

Joy

PS Nice to know you're able to make sense of our complicated site enough to keep reading it.

[greenpesto]

Have you all noticed the change in tone overall on this web-site?
There appears to be more 'bickering' with each other rather than the solidarity that we had before the H/O meetings.
Perhaps the silence of Hillarys will do just that as our frustrations remain until we see if there are any changes to be made!!!
Maybe it is just the 'British' way & we can't do anything without moaning??!!
I am not picking up on just any 'one' comment but rather a general observation.

I feel that I'd be happier being one of those that 'sit on the fence' for a while & just monitor what goes on here until such time that I see changes in tone/attitude from either Advisors or Hillarys.

I am one of those that has moaned bitterly about Hillarys & of some of the standards set by 'some' of the Advisors I have come into contact with.
The tone on here however if we are not careful will turn into one big 'Free for all' & will cause a breakdown in communication between us.

Some come on everyone ... lets all be civil!!!!!!!!!

[russell]

problem is pesto we are in a transition period we are waiting for change after the forums some on this site dont believe it will come some including myself do. until the negative ones see the change or change their ways because alot of them are their own worst enemys we will fall out a bit thats what democracys all about great isnt it :Dhave your say

[desmorse]

Understand where greenpesto is coming from. We were all very eager to see some feedback from the meetings, especially from those who said they would present our views. All we've had is very positive "they are listening" comments, which is good, but I've absolutely no idea what was discussed.

I don't want 16 pages of minutes, I'm not interested in who arrived first, second or last, and I don't care who had a cosy chat with who, but it would have been nice to see some bullet points of what was discussed, possibly with reactions such as - taken away for consideration/dismissed as not Hillarys way/lots of discussion but agreed not possible.
This would have given the rest of us some idea of what had been discussed and what Hillarys are looking in to.

[Augustus]

Don't worry guys- I'm keeping an eye on things and if it gets too much like a'free for all' then I'll step in with my diplomat hat on

Got to remember that we are all out there everyday selling and fitting blinds - it's only the bad ones that we report here.

That's why there will always be an element of discontent.

Let's just remember that we are all on the same team.


P.

[keenasmustard]

just to come back at you russell just because you can't manage 30+ leads a week doesn't mean nobody else can.I've been doing this many for the last 11yrs with no problems and without a fitter.
please can you tell me how to cherry-pick leads when they are allocated by h/o if you feel its ok to cherry-pick thats up to you.I attend every lead given,and I do object to being called a commie.

[hereticus]

keenasmustard...

excuse me for poking my nose in, and I know Russell can speak for himself, but this needs moderating before it gets out of hand so...

Russell did not call you a 'commie', he addressed you as 'comrade', which in my book is another term for colleague/friend. I presume your response was tongue in cheek, but wouldn't want anybody to interpret it seriously.

[Augustus]

Lets try and be grown ups please guys.

Anymore and I'll lock the topic.

P.

[russell]

keenas comrade ;D cherry picking means if you had 35 leads you would choose to sell to the best ones not the 50pound rollers if you sold to all 35 you would need a fitter do you have one i dont need 30 plus leads a week im a good salesman i sell 7k on 15 i wasnt having a go just the opposite just trying to point out same money less time but have it your way ;)i was in exactly same situation as yourself 2 years ago and i earn the same now was honestly trying too help