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Post by kakalanka on Apr 8, 2006 19:16:30 GMT 1
Has anyone fitted pleated blinds to convex beading using wedges? I've read the (extremely useful) advice given re fitting to beading but no mention of wedges.
I've got 22 to fit to consevatory sides and have been recommended wedges, but no mention of this has been made on the advice pages on this site.
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Post by desmorse on Apr 8, 2006 20:17:39 GMT 1
Has anyone fitted pleated blinds to convex beading using wedges? I've read the (extremely useful) advice given re fitting to beading but no mention of wedges. I've got 22 to fit to consevatory sides and have been recommended wedges, but no mention of this has been made on the advice pages on this site. Fitted many, many times in to both convex and concave, including 2 convex today. Never used wedges, never had a problem. With convex, you can position the top bracket so that the rear crease nestles in to the corner of the convex profile and the small square you get next to it. Actually easier than concave, as the bracket tends to bend in to the concave profile if over-tightened. Use the round head screws you get with venetian blinds rather than the countersunk ones supplied. They tighten down better |
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Post by kakalanka on Apr 8, 2006 20:46:18 GMT 1
Thank you GVM
As always the passing on of your experience ( and others) is always appreciated (1 year old "novice").
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Post by kakalanka on Jun 13, 2006 8:20:29 GMT 1
To those of you with Pleated Roof experience....what are the preferred screws you use when fixing, in particular L Shaped profile and Apollo 12/13's (whatever)?
I've recently completed my first shaped roof but, when tensioned, the strain on the profile and apollo's began to make me wonder about the suitability of the screws supplied.
What screws does anyone use in these applications?
All advice most welcome.
Kakalanka
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Post by phugly on Jun 13, 2006 10:43:10 GMT 1
If you've got strain on the apollos then you must be pulling the filos too tight. They need to be just tight enough to support the blind.
As for screws to fit into L profile I use 3/8 No. 8 self tappers. For fitting the apollos I use the shorter screws provided as I find these adequate for the job.
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Post by greenpesto on Jun 13, 2006 10:57:31 GMT 1
I prefer the screws used in the Roller blind packs ( No.6 1" ? ) for the 'L' shape but use the 'Self-tappers' for the F/Fix brackets.
For the 'Apollo 13's' I prefer the longer No. 7's with the round heads.
Never had much luck with the shorter ones unless fitted into wood!!!!
If you are fitting into a glass roof then you can add the smaller 'open filo' underneath the Apollo 13 which will keep the screw away from the glass.
The 'Filo' cables should always be knotted close to the Filo before cutting off any excess. The reason is that if the screws loosen then this will stop the cable slipping through & falling out.
It also gives you something to grip onto with pliers if you need to adjust at a later date.
I do this with the tension & friction cords too!
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Post by BlindWizard on Jun 13, 2006 21:52:44 GMT 1
Just a point about using different screws etc than Hillarys recommend.
I was told by an Advisor that when he was discussing alternative fixings with Hillarys that it was mentioned he should be careful as if use different screws etc than Hillarys provide/suggest for a job and damage is done then he could be held as negligent as was not following guidelines. Not the exact words but that was the gist of it.
Considering the changes in insurance it's a point to think about.
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Post by farmer on Jun 13, 2006 22:23:32 GMT 1
Just a point about using different screws etc than Hillarys recommend. I was told by an Advisor that when he was discussing alternative fixings with Hillarys that it was mentioned he should be careful as if use different screws etc than Hillarys provide/suggest for a job and damage is done then he could be held as negligent as was not following guidelines. Not the exact words but that was the gist of it. Considering the changes in insurance it's a point to think about. beg to differ on that one. I once had a stern lecture from an engineer, who designed screws, nuts and bolts for a living (someone must do it). The screws we are provided with are wood screws !!, so why would Hillarys recommend them for top fixing into plaster/ concrete etc....they dont reccommend anything because they haven't got a clue........... Wood screws apparantly expand differently in the hole, loads of other nuts i had to sit through from this nerd of a customer, who incidentally lectured me for using the screws Hillarys provided for top fixing the verts. I drilled slowly, but when i came to put the screw in, the plasterwork cracked.. hence the lecture, |
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Post by BlindWizard on Jun 13, 2006 23:57:00 GMT 1
Hi Farmer
You might "beg to differ on that one" but if that is what Hillarys are saying and they are the ones making the decision to if we are liable or not then it's immaterial what is right or wrong we're into Hillarys Law and we know what that is like. All I'm saying is they are providing the fixings and have trained us to use them then if we don't they can say we are not following their guidelines,
The comment was made referring to conservatory roofs which can be an expensive insurance claim if damage is made to glass. I went to sort out another advisors damage to a roof and the insurance paid out for a new roof !!
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Post by farmer on Jun 14, 2006 19:17:57 GMT 1
Hi Farmer You might "beg to differ on that one" but if that is what Hillarys are saying and they are the ones making the decision to if we are liable or not then it's immaterial what is right or wrong we're into Hillarys Law and we know what that is like. All I'm saying is they are providing the fixings and have trained us to use them then if we don't they can say we are not following their guidelines, The comment was made referring to conservatory roofs which can be an expensive insurance claim if damage is made to glass. I went to sort out another advisors damage to a roof and the insurance paid out for a new roof !! yeah, I wasn't looking at it through Hillarys eyes. its just that this chap said i didn't know what i was doing, using a wood screw i concrete lintel. He was dead right. Oh why is everything so friggin complicated working with Hillarys. Too many middle men/women Take today as an example. Thought I had sorted my diary right up until the end of July. Sell mon, tues, wed, fit thurs, fri, sat, Looked on sam this afternoon, next thursday is full of selling appointments, when they know we are fitting a conservatory roof.. Am i just about slightly drunk off with this shower of dog pooh. Life has got to be better tha this surely. Can they not get anything right. |
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Post by BlindWizard on Jun 14, 2006 19:36:38 GMT 1
I know what you mean. Delivery this week had my blinds, my delivery note and another advisor's invoices but none of mine. I've contacted other advisor and posting them to him. Hat e to think how long it will take to get them reprinted, when ones been missing it's taken me weeks to get another copy, how long will a whole batch take ??
Anyone have my (Hillside 114-915) Invoices please ??
Seems nowadays it's just one thing after another. Shame I can't charge Hillary £20 for each of their mistakes (and each blind of course)
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Post by dolly on Jun 14, 2006 19:58:16 GMT 1
BLINDWIZARD this happened to me last month. Dont do as i did and go through service centre or FSM as nothing happens.
List the order numbers and either email PAUL.SMITH@HILLARYS.CO.UK or contact your credit controller and say as i did that people wont pay their balance without proper paper work. After saying this got them next day after 3 weeks of trying.
GOOD LUCK
DOLLY
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Post by BlindWizard on Jun 14, 2006 20:15:58 GMT 1
thanks dolly, yes have gone through service centre. Who's PAUL.SMITH@HILLARYS.CO.UK, will email him or credit control tomorrow
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Post by desmorse on Oct 1, 2006 17:15:27 GMT 1
I've got 2 big 20mm roofs to do. Has anyone successfully used standard face fix brackets instead of strap brackets on the side rails? Or even unsuccessfully  It takes d**n near as long to assemble these bloody things as fit the blind  |
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Post by RhinoNeil on Oct 1, 2006 17:25:37 GMT 1
Never tried using standard face fix brackets for side rails and do agree that it takes forever to make the strap brackets up...these have got to be the most awkward things to put together...What I do is order a load of strap brackets as spares and make them up in my spare time before going to fit them, this saves a hell of a lot of time (and swearing under my breath) at the time of the fit.
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