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Post by dibsdobs on May 31, 2006 23:19:55 GMT 1
Why has "Nonails" been barred??  I for one would still like to hear from him. Just because he is no longer with sillybillys, it doesn't mean he has nothing to contribute. Or has this forum been gotten to by sillarys, and their requests for "tighter security" and the secret talks with Motters. All sounds a bit worrying to me. Especially with Joy and her overzealous censoring.  May I be the first to sign up for the "bring back Nonails campaign". Thats bring him back to the forum, not sillarys!  |
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Post by Augustus on Jun 1, 2006 8:31:35 GMT 1
Why has "Nonails" been barred?? I for one would still like to hear from him. Just because he is no longer with sillybillys, it doesn't mean he has nothing to contribute. Or has this forum been gotten to by sillarys, and their requests for "tighter security" and the secret talks with Motters. All sounds a bit worrying to me. Especially with Joy and her overzealous censoring. May I be the first to sign up for the "bring back Nonails campaign". Thats bring him back to the forum, not sillarys! Sorry - but I have to disagree with everything said there. This forum was started for people involved with Hillarys - I have several others I run if you want non business sites and you are free to talk about anything you like on them. The forum is still and will remain in our control. I do take people's suggestions onboard and have been open about this from day one. 'nonails' is one example of an ex-agent that no longer has access and there are others. It might seem a little harsh, but when people leave a job they don't expect to be kept in the loop either ? P. |
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Post by dolly on Jun 1, 2006 8:42:20 GMT 1
Why has "Nonails" been barred?? I for one would still like to hear from him. Just because he is no longer with sillybillys, it doesn't mean he has nothing to contribute. Or has this forum been gotten to by sillarys, and their requests for "tighter security" and the secret talks with Motters. All sounds a bit worrying to me. Especially with Joy and her overzealous censoring. May I be the first to sign up for the "bring back Nonails campaign". Thats bring him back to the forum, not sillarys! Dont know about anyone else but as a new member for only a few weeks, i am already fed up with people questioning MOTTERS and the other STAFF's intentions regarding this forum. They obviously have put in and still do a lot of unpaid effort into setting up and running this forum. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK PS yes i know everyone is entitled to their opinion thats why we can clearly see all opinions here and not HILLARYS spin. |
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Post by hereticus on Jun 1, 2006 8:42:50 GMT 1
Why has "Nonails" been barred?? I for one would still like to hear from him. Just because he is no longer with sillybillys, it doesn't mean he has nothing to contribute. Or has this forum been gotten to by sillarys, and their requests for "tighter security" and the secret talks with Motters. All sounds a bit worrying to me. Especially with Joy and her overzealous censoring. May I be the first to sign up for the "bring back Nonails campaign". Thats bring him back to the forum, not sillarys! For your information, this forum has not been got at by Hillarys and Motters has not had any 'secret' or other talks on forum security to date. A discussion has been arranged, to which all forum moderators were invited and some will attend, to discuss this matter but this has not happened yet. In the meantime the only steps which have been taken are to 'validate' new members joining the forum and to exclude access to those who can be definitely shown to be infiltrators (not advisors or staff members) so, of course, this includes those who cease to qualify by terminating their agency. We are aware that this forum has been accessed by outsiders, including some customers and perhaps even some competitors, and this is not in the best interests of open communication between us and the company. Following the forthcoming meeting to discuss site security, any changes / recommendations will be shared with forum members and will not be introduced through any back door method. So please, Dibsdobs - you may have a valid viewpoint but don't dress it up with wild insinuation. |
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Post by keenasmustard on Jun 1, 2006 8:52:01 GMT 1
how can you barr someone that still has access through other means?
as far as I'm concerned he may have a more impartial view than any of us because he's been there ,done this,got the t shirt.
if I was to leave i would still want to look in every so often just to be nosy.this doesn't mean i'm leaving
as for security who demanded this hillarys?who's site is it ours (the advisor network)or hillarys.it seems that some ones touched their toes for h/o.
I suggest its claimed back
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Post by dibsdobs on Jun 1, 2006 8:53:44 GMT 1
Who said anything about a non business site?? As an ex-Sillarys adviser Nonails would still have input, and if he is still in the blind business, surely that is relevant to us all! Or is it this forums job to hide from us what is going on in the real world, defend Sillarys spin and propaganda. What is there to fear, other than Sillarys non-involvement in this site, which is what we have now. Let Sillarys set up their own site for the more practical side of running the business, but lets keep this site free of Sillarys censorship! What exactly are you scared of and what benefit to we gain by barring ex-advisers  |
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Post by RED on Jun 1, 2006 8:59:59 GMT 1
how can you barr someone that still has access through other means? as far as I'm concerned he may have a more impartial view than any of us because he's been there ,done this,got the t shirt. if I was to leave i would still want to look in every so often just to be nosy.this doesn't mean i'm leaving as for security who demanded this hillarys?who's site is it ours (the advisor network)or hillarys.it seems that some ones touched their toes for h/o. I suggest its claimed back Keenasmustard, Hillary's have not got to anyone, All the mods decided it was in the best interests of the forum to remove any one not associated with Hillary's. I for one would have liked to have let Nonails stay but we have had to be seen to be tightening up security. The aim is to try and cultivate a response from H/O. This is what the security meeting is about next week and rest assured, I for one will not be sanctioning anything until it is fully discussed first. Please do not imply a censorship morality as I post a great deal and am first to admit mostly negatives. Red |
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Post by keenasmustard on Jun 1, 2006 9:14:27 GMT 1
Why has "Nonails" been barred?? I for one would still like to hear from him. Just because he is no longer with sillybillys, it doesn't mean he has nothing to contribute. Or has this forum been gotten to by sillarys, and their requests for "tighter security" and the secret talks with Motters. All sounds a bit worrying to me. Especially with Joy and her overzealous censoring. May I be the first to sign up for the "bring back Nonails campaign". Thats bring him back to the forum, not sillarys! Dont know about anyone else but as a new member for only a few weeks, i am already fed up with people questioning MOTTERS and the other STAFF's intentions regarding this forum. They obviously have put in and still do a lot of unpaid effort into setting up and running this forum. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK PS yes i know everyone is entitled to their opinion thats why we can clearly see all opinions here and not HILLARYS spin. to dolly so doe's this mean we can't question motters and staff in case we upset them? i'm sure they have thick skins they work for hillarys don't they. yes they have done and will carry on doing the forum a good service and yes its unpaid but I expect they enjoy doing it just like i enjoy putting my 2 pennyworth in from time to time. it must not get away from the fact that this is a place for the voice of the advisors. |
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Post by keenasmustard on Jun 1, 2006 9:27:50 GMT 1
Keenasmustard, Hillary's have not got to anyone, All the mods decided it was in the best interests of the forum to remove any one not associated with Hillary's. I for one would have liked to have let Nonails stay but we have had to be seen to be tightening up security. The aim is to try and cultivate a response from H/O. This is what the security meeting is about next week and rest assured, I for one will not be sanctioning anything until it is fully discussed first. Please do not imply a censorship morality as I post a great deal and am first to admit mostly negatives. Red sorry pressed the wrong button as regards this meeting how long will we have to wait for 1 a response from h/o 2will the issues also be discussed with h/o that we are still awaiting answers from the forum meetings 3when you say response from h/o is this you telling them what you want or them telling you what you can do. sorry to be negative but the response so far as been rather one sided. this is not a dig at you lot its at them |
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Post by RED on Jun 1, 2006 9:42:53 GMT 1
sorry pressed the wrong button as regards this meeting how long will we have to wait for 1 a response from h/o 2will the issues also be discussed with h/o that we are still awaiting answers from the forum meetings 3when you say response from h/o is this you telling them what you want or them telling you what you can do. sorry to be negative but the response so far as been rather one sided. this is not a dig at you lot its at them There are three of us going to this meeting, Myself, Mottors and Hereticus. As far as we know it is an open discussion to discuss the forums security. We do know it is an issue. Hillary's would like to be able to respond to queries placed on the formum but do not feel able to with it being open to all sorts of other people. Whether we will receive a response from H/O is unknown at this point and what input they can give willingly is also unknown. We go into this meeting not knowing what will be discussed but we go in representing the freedom of the forum and its members. I do not know if any other subjects will be discussed as it is only a three hour meeting so may not leave much room for other discussions. Red |
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Post by hereticus on Jun 1, 2006 10:22:01 GMT 1
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so does this mean we can't question motters and staff in case we upset them? i'm sure they have thick skins - they work for hillarys don't they ? [/quote]
The moderators of this site do not work for Hillarys except, like the rest of you, as self employed advisors ! The major difference with the moderators is that we have all revealed our identities and been open and honest enough to stand up and be counted, rather than sniping from behind a pseudonym. I defend everyones right to remain anonymous, but also recognise that Hillarys are more likely to be open when they know who they are talking to.
We have not been 'got at' by Hillarys, we are not following any Hillarys inspired agenda, and we have all worked hard over recent months to try to represent the interests of advisors in general and of this forum in particular.
Three of us will be attending a meeting at Colwick next week to discuss how best we can move this forum forward and improve the two way communication between company and advisors which, of necessity, partly revolves around the question of site security. Please don't start judging the content or outcome of this meeting before it even happens - you will have the oppurtunity to comment on any resulting recommendations.
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Can I just add that the 3 attending are doing so in their own time, at their own expense and all travelling a fair distance to get there. I personally declined to go, as I am NOT prepared to give up my spare time to go.... but appreciate the fact that they ARE!!
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Post by farmer on Jun 1, 2006 15:24:22 GMT 1
Who said anything about a non business site?? As an ex-Sillarys adviser Nonails would still have input, and if he is still in the blind business, surely that is relevant to us all! Or is it this forums job to hide from us what is going on in the real world, defend Sillarys spin and propaganda. What is there to fear, other than Sillarys non-involvement in this site, which is what we have now. Let Sillarys set up their own site for the more practical side of running the business, but lets keep this site free of Sillarys censorship! What exactly are you scared of and what benefit to we gain by barring ex-advisers still puzzles me as to why we need to be anonymous. What is there to frightened of. !! Hillarys know who i am. its up to them. If they dont like my views then tough. if they want to get rid of me because of my views, tough. The truth often hurts. ADVISOR WITHYSIDE HUDDERSFIELD |
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Post by farmer on Jun 1, 2006 15:28:47 GMT 1
so does this mean we can't question motters and staff in case we upset them? i'm sure they have thick skins - they work for hillarys don't they ? [/quote] The moderators of this site do not work for Hillarys except, like the rest of you, as self employed advisors ! The major difference with the moderators is that we have all revealed our identities and been open and honest enough to stand up and be counted, rather than sniping from behind a pseudonym. I defend everyones right to remain anonymous, but also recognise that Hillarys are more likely to be open when they know who they are talking to. We have not been 'got at' by Hillarys, we are not following any Hillarys inspired agenda, and we have all worked hard over recent months to try to represent the interests of advisors in general and of this forum in particular. Three of us will be attending a meeting at Colwick next week to discuss how best we can move this forum forward and improve the two way communication between company and advisors which, of necessity, partly revolves around the question of site security. Please don't start judging the content or outcome of this meeting before it even happens - you will have the oppurtunity to comment on any resulting recommendations. __________________________________________ Can I just add that the 3 attending are doing so in their own time, at their own expense and all travelling a fair distance to get there. I personally declined to go, as I am NOT prepared to give up my spare time to go.... but appreciate the fact that they ARE!!
Joy[/quote] YES maybe we should come out. thats why Hillarys dont talk maybe. Just what is everyones problem. if we were out in the open, would we get more response. Hillarys struggle to get and keep good loyal advisors as it is. Why would they get rid of anyone for voiceing his opinion............... I'll take cover now.................. ;D |
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Post by *Star*man* on Jun 1, 2006 22:33:56 GMT 1
If Hillarys are going to try and make thier recommendations change this forum , then i think its very wrong . Additional security measures are not required here ! and i am thinking sillarys spin is coming through somehow. The 'other' Forum....( yahoo groups ) is still going , although very quiet at present , am thinking it will make a re-assurgence if hillarys try to dominate / impose here! how can you barr someone that still has access through other means? as far as I'm concerned he may have a more impartial view than any of us because he's been there ,done this,got the t shirt. if I was to leave i would still want to look in every so often just to be nosy.this doesn't mean i'm leaving as for security who demanded this hillarys?who's site is it ours (the advisor network)or hillarys.it seems that some ones touched their toes for h/o. I suggest its claimed back |
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Post by greenpesto on Jun 1, 2006 23:09:26 GMT 1
It is a difficult balance to maintain!
On one hand we want Sillarys to contribute to this site but on the other hand they'll want to control it's content.
If they do try & take control of what others have done to build this site for free will be like Sillarys expecting us to support new Advisors for nothing when the company should be utilising the £30K per year FSM's to do that.
Another 'Freebie' for the company off the backs of it's sales force!
Sillarys should be investing in their own site like we have asked for.
One that will also allow easy access to all departments & have the ability to order on-line etc.
And I don't mean a maximum of 30 vertical louvre hangers either!!!
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