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Post by russell on Feb 6, 2007 0:17:07 GMT 1
Anybody half decent at their job wont be affected so much,think about it Hillary's know who can sell and convert these people are rewarded as specialists and will be looked after. In the main with the odd exception the only people who go down the slippery slide are poor converters,negative moaners ,or duel traders which too be honest in a sales environment serves them all right. Any company's first and foremost objective is profitability most people that have left were deadwood anyway who wont move forward with the times eg SAM so they go elsewhere too a blind company 10 years behind Hillary's .So they pay more commission but the leads are few and long term these firms will die off . I challenge anybody thats set up their own blind company to prove they earn more than a Hillary's specialist or large adviser if you can I may join you......wont hold my breath though Thats a little rich, coming from someone who probably has no other advisor on his island, and next to no competition. (not meant as an insult) What is the "slippery slope"? Where does it lead? "but the leads are few and long term these firms will die off ." How do you know this? "Deadwood" will always come and go, what is alarming me is the increasing numbers of advisor's leaving that are clearly not "deadwood" (despite the name calling). These are the very people that Hillary's should be nurturing and building theirs and ultimately our success on. These are the very people that can, do, and quite possibly will make a success of going on their own, or are welcomed with open arms by the competition. I know, I have some in my area. The Hillary's advisor package needs to improve, if we are to get out of this....new advisor....trained advisor....good advisor....great advisor....where's he gone advisor...new advisor....cycle! Bring back the "ladder of opportunity" and look after and listen to the ones that make it to the top! Or they will drift away. They should not be "left to it" or managed the same as new advisors. Whilst Hillary's are good at and ahead of the field in some things (not quite 10 years though) they are lagging behind in others. Anyone who gets the trade magazines, or has done a little research, can not seriously say Hillary's are in the for front of blind innovation or product choice. However, that said, I for one am still successfully working with them. As frustrated as some of you at the incoherent decisions that get made sometimes, that literally costs them and us money, both short term and long. Maybe I could earn more with someone else, or on my own, its a bit naive to think otherwise, but right now I am earning enough here. So I will stay. Hoping the mechanics of our lot, will improve. The other options will always be open to us, if it becomes un"bear"able (sorry could not resist that one). As I know who you are sp ! I take offense to your suggestion of little competition on the island I have 10 other company's over here I only receive about 15 leads a week I achieve 7k plus a week selling and fitting my figures blow you out of the water! so my friend now your cover is blown still want a pop at me  .I also find it strange as you attended the reading seminar with myself you find it necessary to disguise yourself The other full time adviser over here does about 5k a week |
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Post by brazil on Feb 6, 2007 8:45:31 GMT 1
Nail on the head my friend !
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Post by ricko on Feb 6, 2007 16:22:53 GMT 1
Your message Russell is why I have not posted on here for a while. This site and our agency names are supposed to be anonymous for you a so called MODERATOR to come on here and out someone without their permission absolutely stinks even if you have tried to cover your mistake by changing your original post. I saw the original so how many others did. We all know how good you are and what sort of figures you do because you very regularly remind us.
People wonder why others don't post on here as much as they used to, maybe this is one of the reasons.
I have not posted on here much recently for precisely that reason.
We should be able to say things on here without fear of retribution because we all know what happens if Hillary's take a dislike to you. I speak from experience.
If you don't like something somebody has said on here you should PM them, not risk their livelihood.
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Post by russell on Feb 6, 2007 16:59:56 GMT 1
Your message Russell is why I have not posted on here for a while. This site and our agency names are supposed to be anonymous for you a so called MODERATOR to come on here and out someone without their permission absolutely stinks even if you have tried to cover your mistake by changing your original post. I saw the original so how many others did. We all know how good you are and what sort of figures you do because you very regularly remind us. People wonder why others don't post on here as much as they used to, maybe this is one of the reasons. I have not posted on here much recently for precisely that reason. We should be able to say things on here without fear of retribution because we all know what happens if Hillary's take a dislike to you. I speak from experience. If you don't like something somebody has said on here you should PM them, not risk their livelihood. If someone wants too personally attack me from behind their yellow mask I will out them I have nothing to hide or fear ,as for me being a moderator whats that got to do with it do I have to take personal insulf from a duel trading moaner ???no I think not im a big boy I can and will stand up for my convictions I dont hide behind my big friend |
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Post by advisorc proudly SA woman on Feb 6, 2007 22:36:38 GMT 1
Blah di blah blah blah!!!!!!! Hey but you guys can moan!!
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Post by osram on Feb 7, 2007 0:06:27 GMT 1
where has motters gone ? whats happening to this site all the bitching going on. I got an e-mail nearly 2 years ago requesting me to use this site and there was only about 30 users on then and it was a good read. I think some of you have gone power mad. I don't post much and don't really want to but i enjoy a good read not a bitching session. Hillarys has bad points and if people put up with that then that is upto them and if people leave that is also upto them. But seriousley where has motters gone i have not seen him on here for months have you made a fortune off this site ? Also Mick and Joy where have you gone?
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Post by russell on Feb 7, 2007 0:18:22 GMT 1
where has motters gone ? whats happening to this site all the bitching going on. I got an e-mail nearly 2 years ago requesting me to use this site and there was only about 30 users on then and it was a good read. I think some of you have gone power mad. I don't post much and don't really want to but i enjoy a good read not a bitching session. Hillarys has bad points and if people put up with that then that is upto them and if people leave that is also upto them. But seriousley where has motters gone i have not seen him on here for months have you made a fortune off this site ? Also Mick and Joy where have you gone? joy is still around and drops in from time to time ,as does motters |
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Post by Augustus on Feb 7, 2007 0:44:02 GMT 1
Well, 'Big Brother' is still watching  Just because it doesn't show, it doesn't mean I'm not here . A few members still need wings clipping from time to time anyway. P. ps- no fortunes to be made on this site, the second set of google ads does pay per click, but not enough to buy a pint each month.... |
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Post by dibsdobs on Feb 7, 2007 9:24:03 GMT 1
Thats a little rich, coming from someone who probably has no other advisor on his island, and next to no competition. (not meant as an insult) What is the "slippery slope"? Where does it lead? "but the leads are few and long term these firms will die off ." How do you know this? "Deadwood" will always come and go, what is alarming me is the increasing numbers of advisor's leaving that are clearly not "deadwood" (despite the name calling). These are the very people that Hillary's should be nurturing and building theirs and ultimately our success on. These are the very people that can, do, and quite possibly will make a success of going on their own, or are welcomed with open arms by the competition. I know, I have some in my area. The Hillary's advisor package needs to improve, if we are to get out of this....new advisor....trained advisor....good advisor....great advisor....where's he gone advisor...new advisor....cycle! Bring back the "ladder of opportunity" and look after and listen to the ones that make it to the top! Or they will drift away. They should not be "left to it" or managed the same as new advisors. Whilst Hillary's are good at and ahead of the field in some things (not quite 10 years though) they are lagging behind in others. Anyone who gets the trade magazines, or has done a little research, can not seriously say Hillary's are in the for front of blind innovation or product choice. However, that said, I for one am still successfully working with them. As frustrated as some of you at the incoherent decisions that get made sometimes, that literally costs them and us money, both short term and long. Maybe I could earn more with someone else, or on my own, its a bit naive to think otherwise, but right now I am earning enough here. So I will stay. Hoping the mechanics of our lot, will improve. The other options will always be open to us, if it becomes un"bear"able (sorry could not resist that one). As I know who you are sp ! I take offense to your suggestion of little competition on the island I have 10 other company's over here I only receive about 15 leads a week I achieve 7k plus a week selling and fitting my figures blow you out of the water! so my friend now your cover is blown still want a pop at me .I also find it strange as you attended the reading seminar with myself you find it necessary to disguise yourself The other full time adviser over here does about 5k a week Whilst I applaud your self proclaimed success as a Hillarys advisor, may I point out the following:- Your condescending attitude and comments only serves to tell us more about you as a person, than your abilities. Unfortunately you have let your own insecurities and inability to control your anger and bitterness, undermine your integrity and standing, on this forum. Compromising your integrity by betraying and showing a complete lack of respect for a fellow advisor, who may, or may not be whom you say. Since when has this forum been about who sells more than who. It is also not about belittling others, only to elevate your own self esteem.. Your (self trumpeted) achievements in the field of sales might well be admirable. However whilst others struggle on, in circumstances largely out of their control and considerably more difficult than your own. It is not helpful, or inspiring to hear you continually boast about them. Everyones circumstances are different. No one should be judging anyone else. I for one, would love to have only one other advisor for such a large area. Unfortunately I have 5 others competing for leads. Also 2 ex-advisors who have taken matters into their own hands and found their self employment can work to their advantage. Along with the normal competition. You need to check your facts and re-evaluate your figures. Whilst your sales may me good,( and so they should be in your position) they are certainly not "blowing anyone out of the water", despite your proud boasts otherwise. In defense of the advisor of whom you speak, I do not remember reading about you winning a trip to New York. Congratulations on not actually commenting on or answering any points from my original post and making it personal. Enjoy your 30 pieces of silver. Your position of trust on this forum has surely been compromised. Will the real advisor Tallis please stand up. |
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Post by dibsdobs on Feb 7, 2007 9:30:42 GMT 1
I object to people on here abusing there position as moderator to delete replies, that are purely a defense of my position, after being personally attacked.
It only goes to re-enforce my previous comments.
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Post by keenasmustard on Feb 7, 2007 9:37:50 GMT 1
I object to people on here abusing there position as moderator to delete replies, that are purely a defense of my position, after being personally attacked. It only goes to re-enforce my previous comments. couldn't have put it better myself |
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Post by ricko on Feb 7, 2007 12:05:18 GMT 1
Russell
In reply to your reply to me i quote " If somebody want's to personally attack me from behind their yellow mask I will out them I have nothing to hide or fear"
Well that really fills me with confidence about the anonminity of the site and it's users.
Besides disdobs was not personally attacking you he was defending himself from your unfounded comments and actually said in brackets (not meant as in insult.)
Maybe you are a we bit sensitive.
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Post by russell on Feb 7, 2007 14:07:59 GMT 1
To hopefully bring the subject to an end and in reply too disdobs and keenasmustard who are joined at the hip ;)so the reply is too both of you. The slippery slope of advisor (with a few unfortunate exceptions) I refer too works like this, advisor A and geographics dont count !works the Hillary's way ...their availability is good their appearance is good (no jeans or egg stained work wear) they are punctual ,good converters,few mis measures,But the main differences that they attend FSM meetings liaise with H/O attend all training courses offered and are positive in their attitude.These people are not yes men but they give new products and ideas a try ,these people in the main succeed. adviser B works when they want wears what they want disrespects property ,DUAL TRADES ,cherry picks sales but mainly will not train for new products eg shutters hence limiting their usefulness and range of knowledge.Just read some posts on here "I'm not selling shutters waste of time "thats your choice as we are self-employed but think about the attitude that sends to Hillary's who do you think will be rewarded advisor A or B so the slippery slide in the main is self induced. My comment about going elsewhere setting up is well founded I know of two former advisor's who set up with Harmony and UK blinds direct,both started off OK as they used Hillary's leads as a springboard but months down the line they became responsible for their own advertising and leads dry up .over here on my small island UK and harmony have come and gone many times over the years.There are also success story's but in my point about put a good Hillary's advisor up against a ex advisor who has defected and see who earns the most I stand by my comment not many .So alot of the ex advisor's and some current boasting on here about the grass is greener is very misleading .The thing that makes me also sceptical is that two of them that proclaim to have left and set up on their own are still Hillary's advisor's whats that all about As for outing you maybe I was a little rash but here is my take on anonymity. I agree with it for the ones on here that wish not to be identified by Hillary's because of their rants about Hillary's that is understandable its self preservation.But in your case you in the past especially have attacked fellow members of the reading and Leeds seminars for doing nothing when you yourself attended the reading forum with myself so how you can attack what you were part of seems strange ,why should I allow your constant little digs at me and others on here from behind your pretend facade I would guess you are more upset that you have been found out for what you really are than I am,after all you can see who I am . As for my proclamation of greatness eg figures I am proud of my agency and figures but honestly do not intend to rub it in peoples faces if that is the perception then I am sorry its more a statement of what can be done and have emailed quite a few on here details of how to improve self generation in the past and have hopefully helped. RICKO I know you and you have no need to worry about being outed hopefully you can understand my reasons for doing so in this case but if not so be it . |
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Post by JoY on Feb 7, 2007 21:12:57 GMT 1
where has motters gone ? whats happening to this site all the bitching going on. I got an e-mail nearly 2 years ago requesting me to use this site and there was only about 30 users on then and it was a good read. I think some of you have gone power mad. I don't post much and don't really want to but i enjoy a good read not a bitching session. Hillarys has bad points and if people put up with that then that is upto them and if people leave that is also upto them. But seriousley where has motters gone i have not seen him on here for months have you made a fortune off this site ? Also Mick and Joy where have you gone? Aaaahhhh.... Someone misses me!  I DO still drop in from time to time, because although I don't miss Hillarys (left last September), I DO miss the site. This job is still quite a solitary one...  Mick and I are doing quite well on our own..... we are earning about the same per month, but working less hours.( Well, to be honest, I am working longer hours, and Mick working less). The best bit, though, is that we have total control over our business, and MUCH less hassle. I am really enjoying the challenge, and trying out my own ideas, and working when and where it suits ME! I can honestly say that I haven't had a "wipe you feet on the way out" job since I left Hillarys, and VERY rarely get a DOR, and NEVER a late delivery (so far!). I think everyone has to find their own way...what suits one person will not suit another... I personally like the fact that I am really RUNNING a business and all that entails, and not just selling and fitting for Hillarys. Not everyone would be happy to do all that, but I get a real kick out of it!( It also suits Mick, who now has more time to play on his X-box!). So, basically, we do less calls, but get better commission ( Yes it is about 40% like everyone says!), but spend more time on paperwork etc. Swings and roundabouts...... but stress free! ;D I hope you don't mind me dropping in..... 'cos I do miss you all! Joy |
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Post by greenpesto on Feb 7, 2007 21:21:18 GMT 1
Considering the request I made several days ago for these sorts of comments to cease for the good of us all, I find that this request has gone by ignored!
What I have witnessed on here makes me sick!
We need those that moderate on here to act with discipline as to the information that they have access to.
Yes! I saw the original postings here before they were changed.
It now means that any trust that I had put in the members of this site & ESPECIALLY the Moderators has now gone.
Even when I knew that certain members here have very regular telephone conversations with certain members of H/O management I thought that the 'TRUST' would prevail & that NO ONE would be put in a situation as I've witnessed here recently.
This reckless retaliation could have resulted in the loss of someones livelihood had there been a Hillarys employee on here with an Axe to grind with certain people that post here!
I would prefer that the person responsible be banned permanently from here!!!!
As I do not have the authority to do this myself, then I shall do the next best thing open to me & with-draw my support from this site!!!!!!
It seems that with this behavior it is likely that the future of this site is drawing to an end!!!!
A sad time in this sites history!
Perhaps Hillarys have finally won!!!!!
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