Forum update meeting

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kakalanka said:

Suggestion....................

We've all got Hillarys ID numbers and names........add the usual Mothers Maiden Name-type question. This could be used at Login, and possibly police the use of the site by non-Hillarys personnel. Co-operation would be needed from Hillarys though.

Would that work?

Sorry.............just thinking out loud.
Kakalanka

If everybody thought out loud we would probably get loads of great suggestions and this would be a great place to do it. We have considered the agency number but as you say this would need Hillary's to supply Mottors and ourselves with a complete list and also h/o users too.
Maybe that is the way we will need to go, but and this is a big but, only administrators of the site would have access to this list, another reason why you all need to know who we are.

Red

[glen]

As a security check we could use FSM names, which would associate us to a particular area only. Then if all comments etc. are always coming from the same area then there is a problem with FSM

But hang-on whats the name of mine, d**n that would be to secure would not be able to log on ha-ha ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Glen

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glen said:

As a security check we could use FSM names, which would associate us to a particular area only. Then if all comments etc. are always coming from the same area then there is a problem with FSM

But hang-on whats the name of mine, d**n that would be to secure would not be able to log on ha-ha ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Glen

Good thinking Glen but the idea is not to use it as a means to identify individuals, just to ensure that all posters are connected with Hillarys.
One idea that did cross my mind was to have a password generated daily and either e mailed to you or on the sam updates page. This could be generated only by Hillarys so only people with access to sam or e mail access direct from Hillarys could get it.

Red

[Augustus]

I wish to add that I do have access to all hidden information and any extar info would just stay that way.

Not sure if HQ would be happy with this, but from our end if I can validate each member then it should be enough.

If you wanted to come out then it's your choice.

I do feel that although HQ are happy to take the chaff, sometimes it is nice to know who you are talking to --- a la 'the hillarys team '


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[glen]

Hi Red,

Area only would be shown, but I a lot of people are a bit edgy about there I.D so may be even area may frighten some off.

Glen

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glen said:

Hi Red,

Area only would be shown, but I a lot of people are a bit edgy about there I.D so may be even area may frighten some off.

Glen

It is a difficult thing to work out, and I am sure Hillarys will have their own ideas.
I still like the password generation idea, as we need no other info from any one with that. It would certainly stop people with no access or direct e mail getting on to the site.

Red

[RhinoNeil]

Its quite simple...Ask the potential member what a hold down bracket is...If they answer "This is a bracket that fixes venetian blinds to a door to stop the blind from rattleing about when the door is opened and closed" then this person is a Hillarys advisor...If the answer is " This is a bracket that fixes venetian blinds to a door to stop the blind from rattleing about when the door is opened and closed, we may send them out if you request them or we may not" then this person is a H/O hillarys empoyee....If the answer is "I dont know"....then this person is not a Hillarys advisor or a H/O employee...........................sorry there is a flaw in my plan...they could be a H/O employee...well at least I tried ;D ;D ;D

[inkjet]

inkjet said:

I was invited to join this Forum by email.

I received three separate emails.

At te time I was shocked, in fact I thought how has someone got my personal details and know I am an Hillarys Agent.


Anyway although annoyed I joined. As like Motters said it is lonley out there, Also not easy to build relationship with other local agents when they are taking food of your plate.

Thats how I felt anyway.


It appears someone had assisted you in finding all Hillary's agents. I was recruited through this route.


Occasionally I have lost log on details its not an easy site to remember.

I would say its hard to find through search engines.

Admin must know who has joined through other routes.

Motters knows my name we have emailed.


So Hillary's want it to be a closed Forum

So they can Give their PR spin.

Or are you saying Give the opportunity for call centre staff, manufacturing and Diary staff to tell us of their problems.

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Reply by Joy - First member on the site!

Hillarys sent me an email that had about 200 advisors email addresses attached to it (by mistake, I'm sure!) I took this opportunity to pass on the web site address to them all. So it was ME!! And all I had was advisor numbers - no names. The rest of those on here are word of mouth ......


Joy Hodge Advisor Redhill 111-565 01789-555936

Joy. Not really a problem as I said I was feeling lonley anyway.

To be honest I thought it mighthad been Red but hes a diffrent Red to the oneI thought he might be.

Anyway that proves I was a Hillarys Advisor.

What you do not know isif I handed in my badge

[Augustus]

or we could just ask them how many fsm's it takes to change a light bulb


This software doesn't really allow too much varrience with the passwords etc as each have their own.

We will have to got through and validate each member I fear.

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[JoY]

You could ask them to quote the first line of a page in the instruction manual......


Say.... what is the first phone number on page 2 of "Appendices"?

[Augustus]

What ? We have a manual ?


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[dolly]

Throwing my pennies worth in on the password / Hillarys people only. Is it possible as we all should have one and an Hillarys only item to answer a question based on fabrics in the vertical book. For example Instead of mothers maiden name. FABRIC AT GREEN B4? PROBABLY THE MOST STUPID SUGGESTION EVER!!

[Blind Scout]

stonehills said:

Good thinking Glen but the idea is not to use it as a means to identify individuals, just to ensure that all posters are connected with Hillarys.
One idea that did cross my mind was to have a password generated daily and either e mailed to you or on the sam updates page. This could be generated only by Hillarys so only people with access to sam or e mail access direct from Hillarys could get it.

Red

Not all agents use SAM, although if they are using this board, they should be getting e-mails, but why should Hillarys control who access this forum. They will take it over if given half a chance, then close it as having no real value.

I like the idea of the registration process of asking a question, the answer only being known by an agent, maybe a question based on the latest mailer. i.e. "In the May 06 issue of Sales Talk, who left the company".

[phugly]

Blind Scout, there is absolutely no chance that Hillarys will take over this forum. It was set up by advisors, is run by advisors and will stay that way. If Hillarys want to set up their own site then thats their perogative, but this site will remain under the control of advisors

[hereticus]

C'mon guys - there's some fun ideas but nothing that really addresses to issue of security on this forum. If we are to get decent two way communication with Hillarys, and especially if we want Hillarys to publicise the existence of this forum to all advisors, we need to be able to assure them absolutely that everyone on this site is entitled to be here, as an advisor or employee.

To do this we need to use the technology available to us. Hillarys don't need to know who is who, only that they are genuine. Similarly we don't need to know who is who, though it would be good to see whether the post in being made by an advisor or an employee.

I am most definitely not a computer expert but I can guess at what software is capable of doing, I know that we have a few people on this forum who are better with computers than me and, of course, Hillarys have an IT Department who could get involved, so how about this for an idea.

Every advisor logging in as a new member to this forum has to provide answers to the following questions :

- second letter of your advisor name
- fourth letter of your advisor name
- third digit of your advisor number
- sixth digit of your advisor number
- initial letter of your first name
- initial letter of your surname

So, for example, I am Advisor Thame, 111-200, Mike Dyer - my password would be generated as HM10MD.

Hillarys would need to run through their advisor database and generate the six digit alpha-numeric code for all 800+ advisors and provide this to Motters (preferably as a data file so that he can run checks automatically rather than manually) and anyone whose logon matches a valid code from Hillarys is allowed access.
At that same time of initial registration the forum software then plants a 'cookie' (explained to advisors during the logon process so that they do not delete the cookie when doing a disk clean up routine) which then only allows that logon code to be used from that computer's IP address (so that an advisor can't leak his logon code to an outsider).

There would also need to be a regular (weekly ?) update from Hillarys to Motters advising the relevant codes for new advisors who have been appointed, and old advisors who have terminated, so that membership is always up to date and current.

Obviously a similar type of logon verification would have to be generated for Hillarys employees.

This way Hillarys do not have to give Motters or anyone else on this forum a full list of all advisor details, only a six digit verification code. Advisors do not have to divulge their identity to anybody unless they want to, and Hillarys do not get to know who is who - they just get the assurance that everybody on the site is completely bona fide.

Can anyone pick holes in this ? Any computer experts out there comment on whether it is workable ? I certainly think something like this is a better way to go, and would welcome any thoughts before our meeting at Colwick Towers.